I have read several different blogs on this subject and I don't really feel like i should muddle the waters any more than they are. At the same time, I feel that is I didn't address it in my blog then my whole goal of trying to show some of the politics in EVE to people that are not aware of them will be lost as any conflict with Honey Badger Coalition and Cluster F*ck Coalition is worth noting.
First I will take a quick look at the two coalitions, I will mess some things up here, so bare with me. Basically the CFC is Goonswarm Federation, Razor Alliance, Fatal Ascension, Tactical Narcotics Team, Fidelas Constans, Spacemonkey's Alliancse, Excutive Outcomes, Gentlemens Agreement, and Gent Off my Lawn. Honey Badge is made up of TEST Alliance Please Ignore, Pandemic Legion, Tribal Band, The Intiiative, Raiden. THORN Alliance, Li3 Federation, EntroPraetorian Aegis, Banderlogs Alliance, Squee. Hig Rollers Dark Therpy, Unclaimed., Kill it with Fire, Executive Outcomes, Out of Sight. Test Friends Please Ingore, Initiative Mercenaries, Mistakes Were Made, The Gurlstas Associates, WALLTREIPERS ALLIANCE, Insidious Empire, and Zombie Ninja Space Bears. While both coalitions have a lot of members the real players to watch here is Goonswarm Federation and TEST Alliance, as either coalition will not do anything without one of those two alliance's blessing.
All of the drama that is going on right now with these two has to with TEST and Fatal Ascension where TEST thinks that FA was the cause of another alliance falling apart, do to some backhanded and under handing. What this caused was TEST leaving the CFC and forming the HBC and resetting the CFC to Neutral while keeping a non conflict pact of some sorts. The only member in the CFC that was not reset was GoonSwarm Federation, who TEST says is their BFFs. The ideal about the non conflict pact was to have "good fights" with other the CFC while still working with each other to conquer other parts of Null Sec. At first this seemed to work but over time it fell apart and with both FA and TEST claiming that the other has broken the deal. I will not go future into it as it really is it that important to me who started the bickering what I will look at is what it will mean for EVE and who I think will win.
First I'll say is that this will be a good thing for EVE. EVE is an universe that is based on fighting. It is the only game out that had dedicated it self to fighting and finding more ways to open up conflict. EVE is based on the ideal of the WAR Economy, and in times of conflict the economy in EVE has grown well as 2012 showed. Also Alliance like TEST and Goonswarm were started and founded on such conflicts, so the raise of new alliances and old ones to power will come as well. This is all good for EVE and the people of EVE. Personally I hope that it will happen sooner rather than later.
Second what the CFC and HBC have done is created a giant blue doughnut around empire. While on paper this looks great, what happens is you start to get people who are bored. I think back to the Mongolian Empire when it started declining because they had nothing more to conquer. That is what has happen with the Fall of AAA in 2012. With no more enemies outside they have begun to look with in. For TEST is FA is a good choice cause of past bad blood. And as with all true empires they never fall from the outside but from within. Do not kid your self while most hate each other the CFC and HBC both have craved out and Empire in Null Sec together.
The real question as one EVE 24 news blogger put is "not if they start but when they start the war?" My guess is that sometime around the middle of May this year. The reason I have put it off for that long is because this wars take a lot time to plan and in terms of moving ships and supplies and gathering wealth it will take a bit. I also think that each side is going to try and grow in numbers, I will not be surprised if both the HBC and CFC add members to side. To me the real wild card is Pandemic Legion in that whole set up as they have traditionally went to who ever could pay them the most. While BFF's with TEST I think that Goons could bring them to their side if they made the right offer. The reason PL is interesting to me, is they have a large Capital and Super Capital Fleet.
The last thing before I pick the winner, is what will this fight be for. First it will be about size of the victor's Epeen and bragging rights. While some will say it will be about Tech Moons I do not think so the CFC does hold the most Tech Moons in the game and I am sure that HBC would like to have them. But I don't think the HBC has it them to go and crash all the CFC Pos'es. What I think this really would be about the the destruction of the other side. While TEST and Goons are both cut from the same cloth, if they went to war then it you be to destroy everything about the other. I do not think that it would end in a sue for peace. Both side would seek the complete destruction of the other.
This is why I think that the CFC will win. While yes I know that TEST and HBC has numbers, Goons has survived these kind of war before, Band of Brothers, NC. Dot, the Russian Block, and IT Alliance have all tried to kill Goons out of EVE. But have failed. Goons will not be killed out EVE by HBC as much as they want to believe they can. Goons are a fleet inside and out side eve. They live in somethigaweful.com, that is where their game takes place. So trying to break them in EVE if pointless in my opinion. While people will shout about Dreddit where TEST leaves and that is true, TEST does exist outside of game, I feel that it not the to point of Goons. And with surviving other fights before this I feel that Goons understands what is going on and how to act better than TEST.
To read more about it there are two links below that talk about the tensions and where the two coalitions stand.
EVE 24News
The Mittani
To truly destroy a corp/alliance in eve you have to create a cascade failure. This means that you have to make all their members quit. Also you have to destroy the command leadership. By that I don't mean blowing up their spaceship, you have to make them hate to play with each other. Ultimately that's how GSF destroyed BoB and its reincarnations. That's pretty extreme right, WRONG that's really extreme. Eve space can be a cold place. I would put my money on Test Alliance Please Ignore for a number of reasons including but not limited to; While Test and Goons are roughly the same there are alot of people that hate the Goons and Mittens that Test and Montolio hasn't had the chance to piss off as much. Either way it will be a hell of a fight.
ReplyDeleteI do agree with you you Franky that to destroy a corp in EVE you have to make their members quite and not want to play anymore and that the CFC and GSF has made more enemies than TEST.
ReplyDeleteBut I would put my money on TEST simply because GSF has survived these before, and even with the whole of EVE hating them GOONs still grows in member size, still remain productive, and have fun in the game. Even if ever corp in the game was like "DIE GOONS DIE" they would still log on a relish that fact. While TEST says the could do the same thing, they have not shown that they can imo.